tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25646979.post450568899276858878..comments2024-01-01T15:35:12.954-07:00Comments on Simple Utah Mormon Politics: You Look Kinda Funny With Your Global Warming Consensus Down Around Your AnklesFrank Stahelihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01822334061980912687noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25646979.post-71040449767644834042009-03-09T12:15:00.000-06:002009-03-09T12:15:00.000-06:00And just who, may I ask, is determining what studi...And just who, may I ask, is determining what studies are "relevant"? The scientists who care about the truth? Or the science whores who wake up in the morning to find their next governmental paycheck? I can't believe you can read the article linked to in my article and STILL throw all this 90% confidence stuff around.Frank Stahelihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01822334061980912687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25646979.post-73695758032681413012009-03-09T11:45:00.000-06:002009-03-09T11:45:00.000-06:00Frank--Basically, your claim is this: There is no...Frank--<BR/><BR/>Basically, your claim is this: There is no consensus (or "concensus") even though more than 90 percent of the relevant studies indicate 90 percent or better confidence that most of the global warming in recent decades can be attributed to human activities.rmwarnickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10948594032787232166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25646979.post-31812045924090575132009-03-09T10:58:00.000-06:002009-03-09T10:58:00.000-06:00I DON'T dismiss everyone from IPCC. There are sev...I DON'T dismiss everyone from IPCC. There are several IPCC scientists who have tried to expose the charade. Christopher Horner's book "Red Hot Lies" describes several instances of (1) the attempt to blow the whistle on the IPCC, and (2) unqualified people making official statements about man-made global warming.<BR/><BR/>On the other hand, I will dismiss Al Gore out of hand. But only after I watched his movie.Frank Stahelihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01822334061980912687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25646979.post-74547080886898704042009-03-09T10:29:00.000-06:002009-03-09T10:29:00.000-06:00Frank-- If you dismiss everyone involved with the ...Frank-- If you dismiss everyone involved with the IPCC, plus Al Gore, what does that leave you with?rmwarnickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10948594032787232166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25646979.post-32461872014693921622009-03-09T09:17:00.000-06:002009-03-09T09:17:00.000-06:00Shane, Shane, Shane, Shane, Shane:I don't think th...Shane, Shane, Shane, Shane, Shane:<BR/><BR/>I don't think the planet is 6,000 years old, for goodness gracious sakes. I was stating that human beings have lived on earth for about that long. If you'd like to suggest evidence for humans having lived here longer, I'll change the "6,000" number in my article.<BR/><BR/>Richard,<BR/><BR/>You've become addicted to Rocky Anderson if you think the IPCC is an unbiased group. Their bread is buttered by governments who expect them to jump however high they want them to.<BR/><BR/>Jon Huntsman did a bit of cherry picking of his own with his blue ribbon panel on climate change.<BR/><BR/>I see in your article at OneUtah that you have a picture similar to the one that Al Gore used a hydraulic lift to get to the top of in his silly movie.Frank Stahelihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01822334061980912687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25646979.post-17135994265427526052009-03-08T14:26:00.000-06:002009-03-08T14:26:00.000-06:00The IPCC says that there is 90 percent certainty t...The IPCC says that there is 90 percent certainty that climate change is human-caused. Also, more than 90 percent of the peer-reviewed scientific studies came to that conclusion.<BR/><BR/>That's a consensus. <A HREF="http://skepticalscience.com/global-warming-scientific-consensus.htm" REL="nofollow">More info here</A>.rmwarnickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10948594032787232166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25646979.post-15980478127600137282009-03-08T12:12:00.000-06:002009-03-08T12:12:00.000-06:00You are right on! The "consensus" is such a fuzzy...You are right on! The "consensus" is such a fuzzy term in the context of climate change. There is an International Conference on Climate Change starting today going till the 10th of March, supposedly some 31,000 scientists have signed a petition that the climate change is of a natural cause. <BR/><BR/>A project <A HREF="http://www.warmornot.com/" REL="nofollow">Warm-or-Not</A> is tracking the current state of affairs juxtaposing the two sides -- believers of man made vs. natural cause -- and last time I checked the score was 88 to 56. Still lots of folks think that global warming is anthropogenic. Where is the "consensus"?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25646979.post-28959211696019353922009-03-07T14:56:00.000-07:002009-03-07T14:56:00.000-07:00LOL, good post. It's a shame that the political p...LOL, good post. It's a shame that the political powers that be continue to dupe the public on global warming. It's just a big money grab.<BR/><BR/>Al Gore is equivalent to Bernie Madoff.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25646979.post-77786753586369955202009-03-07T14:21:00.000-07:002009-03-07T14:21:00.000-07:00Frank goes on another cherry-picking excursion int...Frank goes on another cherry-picking excursion into the land of denial. I don't expect him to change his mind about this issue any more than I would wait for El Rushbo.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://oneutah.org/2009/01/28/climate-change-and-utah-the-scientific-consensus/" REL="nofollow">Well, there <I>is</I> a scientific consensus</A>, cherries to the contrary notwithstanding.rmwarnickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10948594032787232166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25646979.post-12853347353105847952009-03-07T07:29:00.000-07:002009-03-07T07:29:00.000-07:00Nicely written. I am constantly startled by all th...Nicely written. I am constantly startled by all the articles on Global warming. Some say it is an inevitable phase of nature, some say the humans are completely responsible. There is also so many different ideas on how long the global warming may last. I remember reading an article about 15 years ago about global warming and the predictions were quite interesting. From what i remember the article state that the global warming will cause huge ice meltdowns and thus cooling the oceans and bringing and Ice age. And here we are 15 years later and its still getting warmer and warmer each day :). Something needs to be done about the global warming but I'm curious what actually will be done.<BR/><BR/>Take care, ElliAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25646979.post-17814658952159716132009-03-06T21:19:00.000-07:002009-03-06T21:19:00.000-07:00Frankly Frank, how can we take any comment about s...Frankly Frank, how can we take any comment about science seriously from someone who thinks the planet is 6000 years old.<BR/><BR/>I mean yeah, if that is "science" to you, then I am sure Global Warming fails to make sense.<BR/><BR/>But I imagine that so do big hard subjects like evolution, and, well, astronomy.shane smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00961545614092066828noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25646979.post-32992955061017474892009-03-06T17:07:00.000-07:002009-03-06T17:07:00.000-07:00Good point. I hope, by my sarcasm, that I wasn't ...Good point. I hope, by my sarcasm, that I wasn't conveying that point of view. I agree that "we do have a duty to conserve and appreciate the environment in all we do the best we can".<BR/><BR/>Thanks.Frank Stahelihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01822334061980912687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25646979.post-27129278080360846852009-03-06T17:01:00.000-07:002009-03-06T17:01:00.000-07:00Frank, I agree. I do think, however, that we need...Frank, I agree. I do think, however, that we need to be careful not to appear that we don't care about the environment. All people -- liberals, conservatives, libertarians, etc. -- should do all they can, within reason, to preserve the earth's natural resources for the next generation. So, there is nowhere near consensus on global warming, but we do have a duty to conserve and appreciate the environment in all we do the best we can. This has little to do with your post specifically, I just wanted to make that point because people assume that environmental issues are an all-or-nothing issue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com