tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25646979.post8248834384899209746..comments2024-01-01T15:35:12.954-07:00Comments on Simple Utah Mormon Politics: FLDS Human Rights Violations are Fraud Reminiscient of KGBFrank Stahelihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01822334061980912687noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25646979.post-62893207486436173582008-09-04T11:53:00.000-06:002008-09-04T11:53:00.000-06:00All the comments full of outrage are correct and t...All the comments full of outrage are correct and there is no other way to put them all. I mean, I do not mind the language used. It is very appropriate for the case. The only comment I have is to Media Delivery. It is right that you "do believe a person, a family, and an organization have a right to their beliefs and should have the right to follow their consciences. Who am I and who is Texas and who is the United States of America to tell these people what to believe and how to live?" This is absolutely right. But continuing on the same note, who are we not to believe in a law given by God. I mean the Everlasting Marriage Covenant where the plurality of wives was the integral part? By not believing in the law one automatically questions it. Who are we to question the law. Instead we should try to understand it. To find His reasons. In order to do so we may need to ponder and pray if necessary. But never question and never declare that we do not believe in it. It appears that we are being selective in believing in the Doctrine. we believe selectively. We believe in those principles which are beneficial for us or are fitting in our poor understanding of it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25646979.post-55847727763422461802008-05-22T08:28:00.000-06:002008-05-22T08:28:00.000-06:00In light of the way the government is handling the...In light of the way the government is handling these unfortunate mothers, I did some research to see if there are records of other well known totalitarian regimes acting in a similar manner.<BR/>To my surprise, during the NAZI Germany such mothers as the FLDS were awarded medals of Honor by the government. (Mothers Cross)<BR/> Before World War II, our good friend Stalin was arresting mothers for teaching their own kids religious ideas that “violated” the USSR state laws. After the Soviet Union became our enemy, they changed their previous laws against motherhood.<BR/>Modern China has laws against mothers with more than one child.<BR/>All Muslim countries encourage women to get married early and have as many children as possible.<BR/>So it seems that our American government is of the ones that are not favoring motherhood and is looking for ways to discourage girls from becoming mothers.<BR/>No wonder the country’s family values are on a spiral fall, and we rely so much on immigration.Christ-oVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12641456714680810488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25646979.post-80148078970868475042008-05-18T15:06:00.000-06:002008-05-18T15:06:00.000-06:00Interesting from the commenter that just because t...Interesting from the commenter that just because they say "Sarah" doesn't exist that we should not believe the FLDS adults Because some CHILDREN said they saw "Sarah"...<BR/><BR/>Hmmm...<BR/><BR/>The CHILDREN said they saw Sarah, funny, I was raised FLDS and I knew many girls named "Sarah", however, when I was a child, like any other child I did not know everyone by their last name, if you'd asked if I knew sarah I would have said "yes" and "which one?" So if you go off the testimonies then yes, many girls and women in the FLDS church have the name of "Sarah" but that doesn't mean the "Sarah" CPS was looking for would fit the description of the Sarah the children saw.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25646979.post-11733652291914670122008-05-13T18:24:00.000-06:002008-05-13T18:24:00.000-06:00If it is now legal to Kidnap, torture and kill inn...If it is now legal to Kidnap, torture and kill innocent children. Who Needs laws ? I remember the days when policemen could be called to help find lost children. Nowadays the Policeman would probably turn the child into CPS for a prize or something. <BR/>Why isn't the FBI stepping in and stopping this kidnapping ?????<BR/>Not only is the Govt not preventing children from being hurt IT IS GOING OUT OF ITS WAY TO HURT THEM !!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25646979.post-3309386078548858292008-04-25T16:59:00.000-06:002008-04-25T16:59:00.000-06:00LDS is a goofy cult to begin withand the "F"LDS sh...LDS is a goofy cult to begin with<BR/>and the "F"LDS should join the<BR/>rest of the world so those kids<BR/>would know who their "Daddy" is.<BR/>Cult leader's bottom line has<BR/>always been keeping the women in<BR/>line so they can have some free<BR/>and easy perderka. FLDS adult males<BR/>shoud go to prison and share cells<BR/>with non LDS perverts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25646979.post-80281961361999571272008-04-22T11:38:00.000-06:002008-04-22T11:38:00.000-06:00What's funny is so many people say that because th...What's funny is so many people say that because they can't "find" Sarah she doesn't exist. The "FLDS Adults" deny a Sarah exists, the children however said Yes we know Sarah, but we don't know where she is. The number of "children" in custody has risen because the children were told to lie about their age to the authorities, but they now know that they are minors and not adults. If everything was ok with their lifestyle they wouldn't have to lie about it. Oh and Barlow/Anon is a pig.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25646979.post-66944467164328982412008-04-21T09:53:00.000-06:002008-04-21T09:53:00.000-06:00Reach,Thanks for bringing up the Anonymous comment...Reach,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for bringing up the Anonymous comments. I've been feeling a bit out of sorts that someone could befuddle a serious debate with such trashy statements. Whatever good points Anon may have had are difficult to glean through the foul language.<BR/><BR/>Media,<BR/><BR/>Thank you for helping to clarify the main point of the issue. There may very well be some specific examples of abuse at Eldorado. However, as you say so well, it is not appropriate to abduct nearly the entire society as a result.Frank Stahelihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01822334061980912687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25646979.post-4278528985751476782008-04-21T09:45:00.000-06:002008-04-21T09:45:00.000-06:00Anonymous 4/20/2008 09:26:00 PM needs some serious...Anonymous 4/20/2008 09:26:00 PM needs some serious help. What happened to loving one's enemy and praying for those that persecute the innocent? Praying for people we don't like to be smitten with horrendous diseases? That's sick.<BR/><BR/>I frequently disagree with Ed Firmage. But he has nailed it on this.<BR/><BR/>Based on a 'metaphor,' Texas has ripped 416 children away from their parents. Experts have already testified that these children live in loving families. Officials are now interrogating those children and will use anything they say to build cases against their parents.<BR/><BR/>If this doesn't fit the definition of Orwellian, nothing does.Scott Hinrichshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11831447472339880148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25646979.post-11423733476180600132008-04-21T00:47:00.000-06:002008-04-21T00:47:00.000-06:00I don't believe in polygamy. I don't believe in ch...I don't believe in polygamy. I don't believe in children marrying, unless they have parental consent documenting that they are mature enough to handel it. I don't believe the LDS is even a reputable organization(s). But I do believe a person, a family, and an organization have a right to their beliefs and should have the right to follow their consciences. Who am I and who is Texas and who is the United States of America to tell these people what to believe and how to live?<BR/><BR/>If people have broken laws, arrest the, prosecute them. But our constitutions are supposed to protect us from mass arrests and groupings without any evidence of wrongdoing on the individual's part. This is all really wrong. Freedom of religion in the United States of America is quickly disappearing. I wonder if some day we won't resemble France.<BR/><BR/>I don't really understand why 416 children were taken, even if Sarah had been real. Sarah would be one child.<BR/><BR/>So if a child in your church is abused it is ok for the state troopers to run in and abduct all of the children in your church to protect them?<BR/><BR/>If 9 or 10 of your members of your church get married at 16, should all of your church members lose their children?<BR/><BR/>Further, I have heard no evidence of any of these mothers abusing their children. So why have they lost their children? I have heard no accusation of any male child being abused, so why were they taken?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25646979.post-42685792396351734622008-04-20T23:13:00.000-06:002008-04-20T23:13:00.000-06:00The reason for the Texas authorities going into th...The reason for the Texas authorities going into the compound, although normally important in our society, is irrelevant in this case. The real problem here is that the Texas authorities are punishing innocent people for the crimes of others. If the authorities found young girls who were married, then they should take those young girls out of the compound and properly prosecute the men who are committing the crimes. However, that does not justifiy completely convicting a society for the behaviors of a few, even if the majority somehow share the beliefs of the few. We do not prosecute people in this country based on their thoughts. We prosecute them based on their actions. In addition, this is a very real concern for many communities in this country. Granted that authorities would have a very difficult time carrying it out in these other circumstances and are only able to do it here because of the small number involved and the biased towards these people, but there are examples where the same justification could be used over and over again to pull children out of homes. For example, do you think children growing up in a gang infested neighborhood are in a safe environment? Go spend some time in south central LA and tell me how safe you feel. Innocent children are killed in random acts of violence all of the time. Gang leaders prey on the young kids. Perhaps California should just pull all of those children out of their homes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25646979.post-73115144204051213872008-04-20T21:26:00.000-06:002008-04-20T21:26:00.000-06:00POINT ONEThat Marleigh Meisner and the manhating f...POINT ONE<BR/>That Marleigh Meisner and the manhating female judge both look like total w*h*o*r*e*s. I’d bet meisner has at least four tattoos. Just based on her looks I’d also guess that she probably has whored around with at least 84 different men.<BR/><BR/>Only a slut would want those kids taken from their wonderful families. I am praying that both those hogs come down with brain cancer–several large tumors-each. I would enjoy a youtube video showing their diseased body flopping around on a hospital bed. <BR/><BR/>The patriots who are standing up for these kids and the constitution need to get together and form an organization to resist this and other atrocities by the government and their henchmen.<BR/><BR/>Further, all baptist churchs should be picketed on sunday to protest the invovlement of the el dorado baptist church in assisting the pigs, providing buses and acting as collaborators. this is a huge problem.<BR/><BR/>POINT TWO<BR/>At least the FLDS girls haven’t taken the LBT (low back tattoo) like your whorish slut women in Texas.<BR/><BR/>And that TV hog with the bug eyes looks like a slut too.<BR/><BR/>Now for some real info:<BR/><BR/>It was legal to marry at 14 year in both texas and utah until recently. In utah, at least, the law was changed with the specific intent of persecuting the FLDS, who are great people, at least the few I have met.<BR/><BR/>I’ve often said that i would rather have my daughter(s) become the 10th wife of a good man than the first wife of a feminized white meat pussy.<BR/><BR/>The only difference between a 14 yo and a fifteen year old is one day. Big deal. It is legal to marry a 15 year old in utah right now.<BR/><BR/>The real lesson here for you Texas swaggerbitches is that DCFS will soon be coming for your children. “Emotional Abuse” is a term so ambiguous that it can mean whatever the slut manhater social work whore wants in to mean. Do you teach your kids that god loves them. Surely, that is emotional abuse–at least to an athiest bitch.<BR/><BR/>Do you teach your kids not to intermarry with white people. Now, that is politically incorrect emotional abuse for sure.<BR/><BR/>I still hope those two hogs get brain cancer–me and probably phred phelps are praying for it right now.<BR/><BR/>Pussy, feminzied white men have lost this country and it started when they let their women become disobedient. Suffer you slime.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25646979.post-5615290842877476382008-04-20T17:56:00.000-06:002008-04-20T17:56:00.000-06:00The question is: what is really, really important?...The question is: what is really, really important?<BR/><BR/>I viewed the video exposing the drug-riddled Texas Foster Care system at:<BR/>http://dayofpraise.blogspot.com/<BR/><BR/>I have also read over 1,000 thought-provoking comments by outraged citizens at:<BR/>http://www.thepetitionsite.com/2/free-the-innocent-flds<BR/><BR/>It seems this is huge historically.Christian Prophethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10020964652943679070noreply@blogger.com